Though the spate of
attacks against Indians in Australia has abated, the concerns remain.
What has the government done to address the issue?
We took a lot of
steps over the last 12 months or so to try and address this issue.
There was a law enforcement element. There was a resourcing element.
They went into the registration of these institutions. They went into
monitoring compliance. We have made some very big changes which are
directly related to the Indian students' issue and our migration
programme. We have tightened up the skill and occupation list which
seeks to distinguish more clearly between migration and education
objectives. All of our efforts taken together have had an impact and
now the situation is much calmer and there is a better understanding
on both sides about what has happened, what we are dealing with, what
the drivers are and what the implications are. There is now some clear
air in our bilateral relationship and we can focus on the bigger
agenda between Australia and India.
Do you have details
about the number of attacks that occurred and the nature
of these, especially with regard to the
racial factor?
It is difficult as we
do not have a really thorough empirical data base to deal with because
our police forces don't collect the district-based data on nationality
and occupation. So if you wanted to say how many of these attacks on
Indian students occurred, what the circumstances were, it is a
complicated picture and we did not think for the most part these
attacks were driven by racial factors. We acknowledged that there
clearly were some cases where racism would appear to be a motivator.
But for most part these have been opportunist crimes, either as a
result of excessive consumption of alcohol or an intention to rob and
steal. We now also have a better understanding of the fact that the
Indian students, particularly in Melbourne, were actually in a
higher-risk profile category. By that I mean, because of the part-time
work, they did mainly shift work, driving taxis early in the morning.
Because of financial reasons they were under pressure to live in
cheaper accommodation, which was a high-crime neighbourhood. Because
many of them preferred to be paid in cash rather than through the
payroll system and most of them were young males. It was a combination
of factors that all came together and conveyed a mistaken impression
in the mind that Indians were being excessively singled out for racial
bashings whereas a lot of these were ugly examples of crime.
Has this had an
impact on the number of Indians going to Australia?
We see a radical
decline in numbers. I think the numbers are likely to decrease overall
by 80 per cent. I would not say that this is directly a result of
people being deterred from going to Australia. The bigger factor for
the drop in numbers is the changes we have made to our skill migration
programme. Earlier, a large number of the students were going in for
courses like hair dressing and cookery; now that we have removed those
from the list of skills that will give extra points for migration, the
incentive has diminished. So, the drop in numbers is the result of a
number of reasons rather than just the deterrent factor. There may be
some cases where parents may have decided against sending their
children in the light of publicity that these attacks attracted. But
the reason for the radical reduction is the changes we have made in
our policy.
Will the new policy
change the educational ties the two countries have?
We are now refocusing
our education relationship. We want to rebuild it on the foundation of
the university course so that it is linked to a genuine desire to
study at a quality institution and that is going to be our objective.
Part of that will also involve strengthening the
institution-to-institution links so that our universities can develop
better links with Indian universities and that in turn may generate
collaborative research work and encourage particularly post-graduate
students in India to think about Australia because our university
sector is of a high quality. We have in Australia eight or nine —
depending on which survey you read — of the top hundred
universities. In terms of comparative value for money and also quality
for education, Australia still stands up pretty well.
Are some of the
policy changes because Indians were supposedly stealing jobs from
Australians?
I don't think the
stealing of jobs was a factor in this. I know some commentary has
suggested that might have been the case, but bear this in mind that
the period what we are talking about was a period of very strong
economic growth for Australia and low on employment. I do not think
that the resentment factor played a role because our economy was
running at a very fast clip and if anything we were facing labour
shortage. Of course, that line of analysis assumes that the attacks
were generated by resentment as opposed to other crimes.
What did you do to
beef up the security for students?
Some straight-out
law-enforcement steps have been taken. We have increased the number of
policemen, particularly those covering railway stations and so-called
crime hotspots. We have put in place new community liaison procedures
so that the police has an opportunity to talk to members of the Indian
community and Indian students about prudent things to do in terms of
behaviour like where not to go, how to look out for your own safety
and other common sense solutions.
We set up 24-hour
hotlines so that students could ring up, if they had any concerns, not
necessarily safety concerns but any sort of concerns. We increased the
briefings that we provide students before they left India. We produced
a new briefing booklet for students that was given to them at the time
that they got their visa papers and we made an effort to try and
ensure that private institutions also took more seriously their duty
of care to their students. Then we addressed the issue of some 'shonky'
(Australian slang for dubious) colleges. We had colleges operating
that ought not be operating and some of them we have closed down. We
just withdrew their registration and licensing. Others, of course, ran
into financial difficulties as the numbers began to drop and had to
close themselves down. So that part of the issue was also addressed.
What about the
migration aspect?
We have made changes
to our migration programme. The last were not driven by this
particular set of problems. It was a result of a thorough review of
whether our migration programme was actually meeting our labour market
demand. We found that it was not doing so. What we concluded was that
there was too much supply-driven programme and not enough
demand-driven programme and that is what we are doing now. We are
shifting the balance now towards a demand-driven programme. Every year
we will now update the list of skills that we require and it's a much,
much smaller list than that used to be. Earlier, the list was of over
400 (skills) and now it is about 100. So, these are the changes —
some small and some big. But overall it's had an impact.
You have tightened
your visa policy too?
We don’t run
quotas. We have a criteria-based visa policy. If you meet the
criteria, you will get the visa. We have introduced a much more
rigorous checking process to satisfy ourselves that the applicants and
the documentation are genuine. And that means the rejection rate of
visas has also gone up as a result because we have detected cases of
fraud and of misleading information.
Coming to a different
area, has there been a change in Australia's approach to selling
uranium to India's civilian nuclear power plants with the new
government coming in?
In 2007, the (John)
Howard government had changed Australian policy in order to permit the
export of uranium to India. The (Kevin) Rudd government, when it came
to power, reflecting very long-standing Labour Party policy, said that
it would not sell uranium to India because India is not a party to the
NPT. As we have explained many times before that it is not an
anti-India policy, it is a pro-NPT policy and that remains the case at
the moment.
What about the growth
of trade between India and Australia which is now round $ 20 billion
but the balance continues to be unfavourable to India?
We have an average 25
per cent growth a year in the trade relationship in the last five
years and I think the prospects for growth are good. It is the case
that the trade balance is very much in Australia's favour. But the
upside is that the big-ticket items in what we sell to India are all
items, with the exception of gold, which go directly to the capacity
of the Indian economy to grow. In other words, Australia is feeding
Indian growth in a way that is very much in India's interests.
The other point is,
by and large, Australia runs a very open market so it is not as if we
are running a protectionist policy which is shutting out Indian goods.
Now part of growing the trade relationship to the benefit of both
countries should involve starting negotiations on a free trade
agreement. We have now completed a joint feasibility study endorsed by
both governments that came out in favour of FTA negotiations. I hope
the two governments will be in a position in the reasonably near
future to start negotiations because that will send a very good signal
to our respective business communities that the two governments take
the economic relationship seriously and want to push it along.
There is a perception
that Australia has a decided tilt towards China in Asia with respect
to India?
I think that is a
misperception. The reality is that we see a congruence of strategic
interests between Australia and India, which has never been there
before and I think we can build on that very substantially. I think
the view that Australia is leaning too far towards China is
fundamentally mistaken. Our relationship with China in its broad
contours is no different from the relationship that many other
countries, including India, has with China. We both seek a
constructive relationship with China, we both seek to maximise the
economic benefit of the relationship and we both are careful observers
of the strategic implications of China's rise. India and Australia
have a connection as open liberal democracies, which adds a certain
character to our bilateral relationship. India and Australia have a
shared interest in wanting to see not just China play a constructive
role in the region but precisely because we are democracies and we
have a shared interest in wanting to see the balance of power in Asia
remain favourable to open democratic countries. I see a large measure
of strategic common ground vis-`E0-vis China between Australia and
India as I do between Australia and many other regional countries
because all of us are dealing with a similar set of challenges.
You seem to have an
expanding military relationship with Pakistan?
We are training a number of Pakistani
military personnel in counter-terrorism at our staff colleges. Neither
of us wants the destablisation of Pakistan. The terrorist groups are
going out of control there. None of the training programmes we have
for Pakistani troops include that of any lethal weapons. The training
and weapons given to Pakistani troops do not go against India or any
other country.
