his appointment as President of the Punjab Pradesh Congress Committee, Amarinder Singh, the former chief minister of the state, is now back in centre-stage. With the Parkash Singh Badal government on the back-foot after it sacked Manpreet Singh Badal, the finance minister, and the ruling Shiromani Akali Dal looking like a divided house, the Congress party has begun to fancy its prospects of returning to power when the Assembly elections fall due in early 2012. Much though would depend on the leadership qualities of the ‘Captain’ or ‘Maharaja’, as Amarinder is referred to by people around him. In an exclusive interview, Amarinder Singh spoke candidly to Editor-in-Chief Raj Chengappa about his plans and priorities.
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How does it feel to be back in the centre of action in Punjab?
It is an interesting feeling. I have been the President for four years from 1998, then Chief Minister for five years, and then I was out of power. We are now back in the race by God’s grace. It is a crucial time; we have got a year to go; and the party is mobilised and the morale of partymen is high. Punjab is very receptive. So, there should be no reason why we should not win the next election.
If you became captain of the Punjab ship, so to speak, what would be your priorities for the state?
My primary task would be to ameliorate the economy of the state. If one’s financial position is sound, everything is fine. Four million youngsters are waiting for jobs and something would have to be done to accommodate and help them.
But you are inheriting a fragmented State Congress party some of which was your own doing when you were Chief Minister?
I do not think that is correct. We are a big party and we are people with diverse opinions and during the course of our functioning everyone has his own opinion and we come together to discuss the issues. In politics, finally, we have the Congress President and whoever has any grievance or wish for something to happen in Punjab could go to the Congress President. So, we work quite closely. Much of the differences are media creation. If I go to a place then they ask why have you come alone? Why isn’t Mrs Bhattal there? You do not hold hands and move everywhere together. We are responsible people and we do our job.
What’s your assessment of the Parkash Singh Badal government’s performance?
Badal has never been an intellectual. He is a good man for campaigning. He will go off early in the morning to late night from village to village. And his thought process is forty years behind time, as far as I look at it. I do not think he could bring about policies that would propel the State into the next century and, let us say, take it high up. And then there are young men — Sukhbir and Manpreet — one was pulling the government to the right and the other to the left. So nothing was working.
What do you mean that nothing was working?
We have a major problem in Punjab. There is an economic crisis. We have income of about Rs 20,000 crore and there is a state debt of Rs 71,000 crore. This does not include the debt guaranteed by the State for public sector units which would double the debt figure. The State is borrowing Rs 8,000 crore approximately every year just to exist and that goes just to salary or to servicing. About the revenue stream, nobody is bothering about it. Punjab today is at half of the national growth. India today is targeting at about 9 per cent; we are at 4.7 per cent. So, if you do not do something which propels Punjab forward, the debt crisis will get worse.
In short, Punjab is broke?
Yes, we are literally broke. How does Punjab move forward without innovative ideas? You have got to bring about new ideas where you hold your people and your industries and say, “yes, we will do it”. Bring a new industrial policy; make a total paradigm shift from what the system was in the Badal set up and really target specific areas which you think can put Punjab forward.
What did you do when you were in power? Didn’t you also let things slide?
That is not correct. We did two things. For the primary sector, we said that income today is about Rs 30,000 per acre for the farmer, we have to target it at about Rs one lakh an acre. And among other things we encouraged citrus farming. We also brought that field-to-folk programme where the idea was to change the agricultural pattern into growing vegetables where you go to as many as five crops and set up marketing units to market them. In industry, we got commitments for 399 mega projects of Rs 1,07,000 crore. Had we put those in, apart from industry becoming buoyant in Punjab, we would have created a million jobs. Then the government changed and with that attitudes also changed.
What happened?
The government that followed us did nothing. Who has suffered? Not the Badal family, but the common man of Punjab. This witch-hunting has to stop. In industry there is a feeling that Badal will throw out everything put up during Amarinder Singh’s regime and vice versa. I would say that when the Congress comes back to power in Punjab, we will honour everything that the Badal government has done from this point of view. We want industry and the industry must know that there is continuity in policy whichever government is there.
What about the debt waiver that Manpreet said they were negotiating with the Centre?
The debate that took place in the Assembly because I had asked for it and this is where Manpreet Badal made a statement of Rs 35,000 crore. Mr Badal endorsed what his Finance Minister was saying not knowing what the facts were. The fact is that there was no figure of Rs 10,000 or 20,000 or 35,000 crore. There were only preliminary discussions. The Finance Minister was making a wrong statement to the House and his Chief Minister was endorsing that. That is why I said we will move a privilege motion against them.
What about the issue of subsidies? Would your party advocate the cuts that were being sought by the Centre?
We have a social commitment to the state. Of the 4.6 million families in Punjab, about 1.3 million families are Below the Poverty Line and half of them are poorest than the poor. If I think that I can do away with subsidies and let those people down, it is not possible. Look at the national level. Today, the Congress party is bringing out the Food Security Act. Why? Because of the poor people of the country. Similarly, the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act the Prime Minister brought to give jobs to everybody so that they can feed their families. We will have to balance the business of subsidy. It should go to the poorest of the poor, but it should not go to the upper class. Why should Badal get agricultural subsidies when he has got thousands acres of land?
What will be the impact of Manpreet’s departure from the Government and the Shiromani Akali Dal?
Let’s put it this way. Manpreet Badal was sort of an intellectual; but his father was a politician and his brother’s politics was run by the father. So, if Manpreet wishes to fight the party he has his constituency, thanks to his father, which he will have to develop on his own. He will be able to do something perhaps there but only in a small area. The trouble with the new generation is that they want to jump too many steps in a day. This is my 41st year in politics and when I joined politics Sukhbir was studying in kindergarten. You cannot be at kindergarten and hope to take over. You have to learn the trade.
Why didn’t you want Manpreet in the Congress?
I do not think so because the line with the Badals in his area had been drawn between the Congress and the Akalis for the last 35 years. Ever since he emerged on the scene they had a system of ruthlessly putting down the Congress. You think for the sake of a little bit of support we can put up with Manpreet? I am not for that. We will be letting down our own workers. I have not discussed it at Delhi. But if I am asked, I will give my views on these lines.
What do you think of Parkash Singh Badal and do you think Sukhbir will take over as chief minister even before the elections?
I think Badal is getting on age and Sukhbir is jumping too fast. So to me both are the same. I really do not care whether Sukhbir becomes CM. I think Punjab is receptive and the Congress Party today is united and at the grassroots level they are just waiting for an opportunity.
Badal has dropped all the cases against you. Does this mean the end of vendetta politics?
He is very magnanimous! I never asked him to do the defamation case and never asked him to remove it. We do not have time for settling vendettas. Our focus is now to get Punjab moving. If anybody has a complaint about anything, the government will look into it. If we are concentrating on harming each other the loss will be of Punjab. We have to forget everything and just get on to the job of good governance and take it out of mess.
There has been criticism that since you have been in power you have kept aloof and mix only in elite circles especially with foreigners including from Pakistan?
This is absolutely a non-issue. I have friends in Britain, I have friends in Canada, America and Pakistan; everywhere I have friends. I have intelligent persons as my friends. This is one’s personal life; and without friends one’s life is boring.
What was the big lesson you learned during this period out of power?
My father, who ruled a vast area of the United Punjab, specifically advised me: “Never look back, always see forward.” So, I never see what has been left behind.